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Rob Bell’s ‘Love Wins’: Reviews, comments and book sales pour in | MLive.com.

An interesting story from the local Grand Rapids newspaper about the book and a video clip from a very persistant MSNBC reporter who wants black and white answers to the mysteries of God. Its funny, really. Rob tries to be patient with someone who appears to be a secular fundamentalist who sides with the literal evangelicals, that we have to have either or answers and anything else is no answer.

Like I posted on facebook: The core of the book deals with the teaching of the existence of a literal hell and that we can determine who God is going to send there. I think the video clip quoting one of Rob’s videos is spot on – what we believe about heaven and hell says a great deal about what we believe about God…

Goes back to the post a while back, why evangelicals hate Jesus. Jesus saves us from the God who wants to send us to hell. That is the premise of the American Evangelical outreach – if you die tonight, do you know where you will spend eternity? Give your life to Jesus so you don’t go to hell because God loves you that much.

Looks like I’ll be doing a podcast reviewing the book and the indignant outrage that someone might not accept that the life, death and resurrection of Jesus and the mission of the Church is nothing more than to save people from a God who wants to send us all to hell.

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Armageddon Entrepreneurs: Who’s Profiting From Fear? – CNBC.

This pretty much says it all:

This latest wave of turmoil is prompting some pastors, like John Hagee of San Antonio, Texas, to use their websites to promote their ideas, along with links to materials for purchase.

Hagee is a popular televangelist and senior pastor of the 19,000 member Cornerstone Church. His website offers a DVD called “Financial Armageddon” for $12 and is signing up registrations for a prophesy seminar in Sacramento in April for $10.

Here’s a highlight from his most recent online newsletter, in which he analyses the uprising in Egypt. “Get ready! Planet earth is about to become the playground for the Anti-Christ and his New World Order. The church will be raptured before the Anti-Christ appears; and I believe he could be introduced in Europe at any time. Pray up! Pack up! ”

Add to them the survival food and bomb shelter people and its the year 200 all over again.

Oh, because of the Japanese nuclear plants, there is a run on iodine tablets here in the US.

Lord, have mercy.

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Pastor Rob Bell Catches Hell From Conservatives | (A)theologies | Religion Dispatches.

Thanks to Rachael Held Evans (check out her blog) for tweeting this brilliant essay on the attacks on Rob Bell regarding the condemnations by certain conservatives without even reading the book. Eric Reitan points out better than I did in my podcast today the visceral response is driven by fantaticism and humility, not any solid biblical evidence but the conviction that your opinion is most certainly God’s opinion. Here’s a quote from the essay.

Fanatics, on this understanding, are those who combine two things. First, they embrace an unquestioning submission to God’s word rooted in the idea that what appears foolish to mere humans may, from a divine perspective, not be foolish at all. To question God is arrogant, displaying too much faith in the power of the human intellect to discern the good. Out of humility they therefore refuse to question what they take to be God’s word.

This disposition of humility does not become fanaticism, however, until it is paired with arrogance: the refusal to recognize that their beliefs about God’s word could be wrong. The fanatic treats a challenge to their own beliefs as if it were a challenge to the word of God.

John Piper, Justin Taylor, and others like them …. stand unswervingly in a pair of convictions: first, that the Bible is, from cover to cover, the inerrant self-disclosure of God; second, that the Bible clearly teaches their theology, including the doctrine of eternal damnation for some of God’s creatures.

I could not have put it better. Their fanaticism to make their views God’s views and appoint themselves the arbitors of salvation and true faith is appalling and, frankly, plants them firmly in the same camp of the Pharisees and Sadduccees of Jesus’ day, who were equally certain they were God’s true spokesmen and Jesus was not.

Take the time to read the entire essay and save it.

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I wrote the transcript for this last week, before the promo release of Rob’s new book, Love Wins. You can see my comments below about the “controversy” about the book but it touches on the problem a segment of the Christian world has with Rob – that he is too easy on sin and hell. In my mind, it goes back to an old American version of evangelicalism that the whole meaning of life and faith is to avoid God sending you to hell. God will do it, don’t force him, make a decision that you will accept his love in Jesus or you will burn.

Needless to say, this has not been a winning recipe, at least in recent years for introducing people to Jesus. It strikes me as about one step removed from Crusader days when you marched a village down to the river and announced, “Jesus love you. Be baptized or die.” We just don’t do it at gun point – we use flyers, cable TV, street corners, and lots of screaming.

Rob comes at faith in Jesus from what I would argue is more Biblical than the old school hellfire and brimstone and because of that, he has earned the wrath and hate of many. He has also earned the admiration and thanks of many more for speaking the love and truth of Jesus that changes lives.

Rob is one of the best preachers out there today and his continued work in creative preaching in 21st Century mediums is both inspiring and a lightning rod fundamentalist Guttenbergers. Check out Rob for yourself and you will find someone who points us that we are connected to God by love, not by our keeping rules.


You can find the Nooma videos and all of Rob’s newest projects here at the Flannel store.


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Here are a series of clips of Rob, his critics, and some folks way to fixed on hell instead of Jesus.

Here is Bullwhip Guy. He’s got the style imitation down but not the Gospel, imho.

Another pastor, rising to the defense of hellfire preachers and slamming Rob.

A Rant That Rob Doesn’t Know That the Bible or That It is all About Hell

Here’s A Winning Title for You – Why Millions of Church Members Will Go to Hell

If you want to see the impact of Nooma, look at this chart of feedback from viewers. You can also click on it to see videos of people’s stories on how Nooma changed their journey of faith for the better at Flannel’s web site. I think you will understand why the Jesus of the Bible that Rob and I encounter in the Bible is so much more compelling than Bullwhip Guy.

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It Was Only a Matter of Time: Rob Bell Pisses Off the Fundamentalists » Scott Seeke Script and Scripture from The River Church.

I finished a podcast transcript over the weekend that I entitled Rob Bell – The Whipping Boy for God’s Grace. I hope to have it recorded and posted by Friday but it looks like my timing couldn’t have been better. Nothing pisses off fundamentalists and literalists than actually saying that God’s grace expressed in unconditional love for sinners is in fact that – unconditional and gracious.

So its no surprise that Rob’s new book, building on Mars Hill’s Love Wins campaign, which has now become a byword for me and many in our congregation, is catching all kind of flack over its promo piece. Like Scott says in his post, twitter is aflame and few in the evangelical community are showing any mercy. No one has read the book but based on a title and a couple of paragraphs, Rob is now an unrepentant unionist, universalist, cheap grace heretic and officially out of God’s club, the club that says there is grace but that’s no excuse not to follow the rules that human beings say will save you from hellfire.

I can’t wait to read the book. I can’t wait to watch certain uber conservative leaders do fine impersonations of 21st Century scribes and Pharisees. God forbid that they as millienialist, rapture riding, fundamentalist, Bible-believing, born-again, adult baptizing, recovering the true church Christians ever be lumped in with all the sinners they condemn (homosexuals, Catholics, mainline Christians, women pastors, biblical scholars with university degrees, South Park fans) who believe that God loves them too.

I’m glad the Gospels make it clear that Jesus stood for believing the right doctrine is more important that reaching out to people who have been pushed out to the margins of society. Yeah, God loves them but he won’t die to save them.

Oh, he did? Never mind.

Go Rob and look for the podcast Friday.

What is the meaning of life? Love.

Videos Posted by Achyut Sharma: This video blew me away…. [HQ] (20).

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Blogs Wane as the Young Drift to Sites Like Twitter – NYTimes.com.

As a WordPress user, I find it interesting that for those of us who are serious bloggers, the blog/twitter combo in particular is quite effective in surfing for stories and commentary of significant content. Twitter helps me sift through many blogs by headline much more efficiently than by RSS feeds. But I believe the trend is right – casual blogging is out, blogs as commentary and analysis will continue.

Has Your Church Started to Die? | TonyMorganLive.com.

A starkly clear appraisal of the established American church and its congregations by Tony Morgan. Its sad and funny, that Boomers would become the generation that does not want to change or give up its preferences or power for emerging generations. However, since they are reluctant to do that in other arenas, the church really is no different.

The congregation that focuses and getting back the members who have left or only recruiting members like themselves, will end up like the Jerusalem Church of the First Century. Gone.

The Next Five Minutes

Powerful video. Pastor people, this is a keeper for a sermon. After watching this, can you really buy the line that all God is really interested in is our souls and Jesus’ mission for the church is just to get people into heaven?

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17 Signs Of A Fast Growing Church | Brian Dodd On Leadership.

Living in the Lutheran tribe, with a 500 year history and serving in a congregation that has been around for over 100 years, I’m not exactly living ministry in the fast growth track. When I read this article it got me thinking. There really isn’t much in it that I disagree with. I guess I would make this observation – these 17 signs may be symptoms as much as signs of a growing church. By that I mean as I look at the lists of the largest, fastest growing Protestant churches in North America (I set aside Roman Catholic congregational growth as different), one thing seems fairly common to me. Most are less than 50 years old and have had either a single charismatic pastor at the helm.

The advantage you have in starting a church now is that there is all kind of data and track records on what connects, communicates, and grows a church that disciples new christians and so you can create that culture from the outset. The people who want a chaplain, a Sunday morning pew sitting experience, or something that reminds them of their childhood won’t stay at a missionally driven church very long because it is an entirely different church culture. Media in worship, music that you can sing to rather than reserved for the concert hall, small groups where you actually read the Bible and can disagree because there is no party line… that draws seekers in who have been burned or bored by the 20th century church experience.

On the other hand, the majority of congregations are older than 50 years, most are stagnant or in decline, and this is a completely new experience. Established congregations have weathered world wars, language changes, and the passage of generations and remained strong and relevant to their communities for decades. Until now. Something has changed in the last 20-30 years and the formerly vigorous churches are withering.

Why? I think its fairly obvious and frightening at the same time – the world and how we communicate has changed and continues to change at a quantum pace. The culture of passing on a heritage and preserving something solid and unchanging has become as quaint and antiquated as organ music. The parents who protested in the 60s and chanted “Question authority” are now the ones being questioned by emerging generations who don’t want church the boomer way and speak in a daily digital language and a faith vocabulary different from anything we have seen since the advent of the printing press.

Can an established church become a fast growing church? That is the area that I have worked in. While it can happen, the data suggests typically no, at least not without complete cultural conflict and change. You are better off starting with a new congregation that is in tune with the community, not one demanding the community tune into it. But who knows? Jesus raised the dead before and every so often, the Spirit moves and we get surprised.

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